Dadant Hive

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The Dadant hive is a vertical, movable-frame hive system consisting of a single deep brood box with shallower honey supers added on top. It offers the queen a large, undivided brood nest; the brood nest is inspected in one box, without lifting boxes. It is widespread in many European countries such as France, Italy and Switzerland; in Türkiye it is used only to a limited extent compared with the Langstroth.

What is a Dadant hive and where does it come from?

The system is based on work on large-frame hives carried out in the second half of the 19th century by Charles Dadant, a French-born beekeeper who kept bees in the USA. In Europe it spread as the Dadant-Blatt through an adaptation by the Swiss beekeeper Johann Blatt, and over time variants with small regional differences in dimensions appeared.

The basic idea is simple: the queen should not meet a box boundary while laying, the brood nest should be single and continuous, and the honey to be harvested should be collected in shallow supers of a manageable weight.

Apiary with white-painted Dadant hives in the mountains of Provence
White Dadant hives with supers added, in the Provence region of France. The Dadant is one of the most common hive types in France and Italy. Photo: Alpes de Haute Provence / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0

Dadant hive design and dimensions

  • Floor: Solid or mesh; most models have an entrance reducer.
  • Deep brood box: A single box. There are 10-, 11- and 12-frame versions.
  • Queen excluder: Mostly used; the deep brood box already gives the queen enough space.
  • Shallow supers: One or more boxes, depending on the flow.
  • Crown board and roof: In most models the roof is clad with sheet metal and held down against the wind with a stone on top.

The length of the Dadant frame is close to that of the Langstroth frame; the real difference is in the depth. The brood frame is about 27–30 cm high (the Langstroth deep frame is about 23 cm). The super frame is about half the height of the brood frame. Because there are differences of a few millimetres between models sold under the same name, comparing dimensions before buying is essential.

Parts of a new twelve-frame Dadant hive laid out separately
The parts of a new 12-frame Dadant hive: metal-clad roof, crown board, shallow supers and deep brood box. The difference in depth between super and brood box is clearly visible. Photo: Maja Dumat from Deutschland (Germany) / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0
Deep Dadant brood comb covered with bees
A deep Dadant brood frame covered with bees. The large comb surface gives the queen an uninterrupted laying area. Photo: Maja Dumat from Deutschland (Germany) / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0

What are the advantages of the Dadant hive?

  • Uninterrupted brood nest: The brood is gathered in one box; the queen never meets a box boundary.
  • Easy inspection: The whole brood nest is seen in one box; once the super is lifted, the brood box opens directly.
  • Light supers: Shallow supers stay at a manageable weight even when full; super frames are well suited to extraction.
  • Wintering: On deep frames the cluster eats its way upwards through the honey on the same comb; the risk of losing contact with stores when crossing between boxes is reduced.
  • Large nest: Sufficient brood space can help reduce swarming tendency caused by congestion; however, it does not replace swarm control.
Ten-frame Dadant hive with a super on top
A ten-frame Dadant hive: deep brood box below, shallow super above. In spring the super is added when the brood box is full of bees. Photo: Maja Dumat from Deutschland (Germany) / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0

What are the disadvantages of the Dadant hive?

  • Heavy brood frame: A deep frame full of honey and brood is noticeably heavier than a Langstroth frame; lifting frames strains the wrist.
  • Two different frame sizes: Brood and super frames cannot be used interchangeably; two separate stocks are kept.
  • Limited modularity: The brood nest cannot be enlarged by adding boxes; a large brood box can be too much for small colonies.
  • Incompatibility: In places such as Türkiye where the Langstroth is widespread, frames and nucs cannot be exchanged with neighbouring beekeepers; nucs also have to be Dadant size.

Dadant vs Langstroth: a comparison

FeatureDadantLangstroth
Brood boxSingle, deep boxOne or two boxes
SuperShallow, different frameFull depth (same frame) or half depth
InspectionBrood nest in one boxWith a double brood box the upper box is taken off
Frame weightBrood frame is heavyFrame is lighter
Frame stockTwo sizesSingle size possible
Availability in TürkiyeLimitedVery widespread

Neither is absolutely superior to the other. The Dadant suits a beekeeper who wants to see the brood nest at a glance and lift fewer boxes; the Langstroth suits a beekeeper who values frame interchangeability and lighter frames.

Working a Dadant hive through the seasons

  1. Autumn and winter: For weak colonies the brood box is narrowed with a dummy board; unused space increases heat loss. Winter stores should be in the upper part of the brood frames.
  2. Spring: As the colony develops, the dummy board is moved back and frames are added. When the brood box is full of bees, and before the flow starts, the first super is given.
  3. Flow: When a super is nearly full, a new one is added. Shallow supers are easy to change and carry.
  4. Harvest: Super frames are extracted; brood frames are not harvested.
Placing a new super on a Dadant brood box
A new super is placed on top of the brood box. Shallow super frames are about half the height of the brood frames. Photo: Maja Dumat from Deutschland (Germany) / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0
Empty Dadant super box and its inner surface
An empty Dadant super. The super frames hang in this box; the inner surface is not painted. Photo: Kergressig / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 4.0

Who is the Dadant hive suitable for?

It suits beekeepers who work in a stationary or nearby apiary, want to assess the brood nest in a single box and are in an area where the Dadant is common. For those with limited wrist and arm strength, the deep frame can be tiring.

If you are thinking of switching to the system in Türkiye, first find out whether you can get Dadant nucs, frames and foundation in your area. Technical advantages are not as important as being able to exchange frames and find help in an emergency.

Numbered Dadant hive with a super on top
A numbered Dadant hive with a super added. Hive numbers make it easier to keep inspection records in order. Photo: Roubert JJ / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 2.5
Twelve-frame Dadant hives arranged in pairs in an apiary
12-frame Dadant hives arranged in pairs on stands in a garden apiary. Photo: Maja Dumat from Deutschland (Germany) / Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.0

Frequently asked questions

How many frames does a Dadant hive hold?

There are 10-, 11- and 12-frame versions of the brood box. The supers are the same width as the brood box; using one frame fewer in the super with drawn combs is also common.

Do Dadant frames fit a Langstroth hive?

No. The Dadant brood frame is deeper and the dimensions do not match; mixing the two systems in the same apiary makes exchanging frames impossible.

Does a Dadant hive need a queen excluder?

It is not compulsory, but because the deep brood box gives the queen enough space, most beekeepers use an excluder, and it keeps brood out of the super.

Do Dadant hives winter better?

The deep frame makes it easier for the cluster to reach its stores; however, wintering success depends mainly on colony strength, the amount of stores, varroa control and moisture management.

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